In 1940 a Parliamentary Home Guard unit "The Palace of Westminster Company" was established, consisting of around one hundred Members and staff of both Houses. The British bail design proved to be too weak for the rigors of the trenches. A Kevlar casque, covered in a sheath of pale-brown desert camouflage cloth, it has a neoprene olive-drab band around the helmet's lower rim, with the soldier's name embroidered on it in black.. Keeping a village shop going, Upcoming changes to logging in - click here, GWF is free to use so please support the Forum. 6 Reserve Lorry Park Royal Air Force who died 28/02/1919 BELGRADE CEMETERY Belgium ' Colloquially, it was also called the shrapnel helmet or Tommy helmet, and in the United States known as a doughboy helmet. 3rd Bn. Greetings. The last issue chin strap was introduced in FM 21-15 by 1972 . Sign up for a new account in our community. If it's a highly desirable unit it drives the price up. That is a nice looking 'Helmet MkII' in remarkably good condition - especially the liner. Generally soldiers were still being issued cloth caps or leather headgear of a kind which offered little or no protection from modern artillery and the shrapnel which sprayed out from it. They were produced Nov.1940 thru May 1941. The bail holder is secured to the helmets skirt by way of a steel split rivet. Both helmets are non-magnetic. With a liner most HS shells are running around $150.00 on most sites. By the by, not all MKIIs are British or even issued to troops. Looks like an original Mk2 shell, obviously repainted. The two WW1 Brodie Helmets, British and American, are nearly identical. dailyinfo[31]=' 420628 Sapper William Bayne YOUNG 63rd Field Coy. The chinstrap isn't a British one, or at least it's not a wartime example. View detail. Royal Air Force who died 24/02/1919 LINCOLN (NEWPORT) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' WW2 British Army Staff Officers Cap and Collar Tabs. The use of a thicker bail and steel rivet to secure the holder would have minimized the chance of the bail coming lose during combat. "Orbita." The Both the liners and the chinstrap on the British and its American cousin are almost identical. While British and American helmets may be painted similar colors the finishes on the two type of helmet differ. W. = Westinghouse Electric Co - Pennsylvania. M1 Helmet Identification; Shipping; Sizing; 1-877-862-5245; TOP POTS - DEDICATED TO M-1 HELMET PRESERVATION. Developed by John L. Brodie, the Model 1915 "Brodie" helmet, also known as the "Tommy" helmet, was the first steel helmet introduced to British soldiers during WW1. Here is an image ( sorry for bad quality) There are 3 letters painted on the front i think it could be either one of these combinations: He worked at the Houses of Parliament (I cant quite remember what position he held but I will ask my step father tomorrow) and he was good friends with Sir Winston Churchill and attended various dinners with him, one of which we have the original letter and menu for. dailyinfo[1]=' Staff Nurse Edith Mary CAMMACK Associate of the Royal Red Cross, 2nd Class 4th Southern Gen. Hos. It was superseded by the Personnel Armor System for Ground Troops or PASGT, a combination type of armour consisting of a ballistics vest and a combat helmet. Capac = Capac Manufacturing Co - Michigan. whitman75 6 years ago. I'll ask about the bail rivets. The A.E.F. The high temperature of the oven caused the lead based paint to melt briefly before hardening which encapsulated the saw dust particles securing them to the helmets surface. The M1 became the standard issue helmet for American servicemen during the Second World War following the USs entry into the conflict in the aftermath of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour in December 1941. This dilemmaseems to become particularly problematic for the British reenactors who after spending hundred of dollars on their kit accidentally purchase an American helmet because they dont know the difference, or for collectors who want one or the other represented in their collection. If solid rivets, its US. So these were our deliverers at last." Brodie Steel trench helmet Identification marks Remembered Today: 1081780 Sapper Bedford Stanley LONG "D" Coy. ww1, field, identification, tag, a e wilson, 10th, ambulance. SEVER CEMETERY EXTENSION, ROUEN France ' Could somebody post a beginner's guide to what exactly a Brodie helmet is, if there was any other type of British helmet in WWI, and how they differed from WW2? Progressive Knitting Works - Brooklyn - New York. Depots simply would repaint helmets where the paint had lost its anti-reflective properties with an extremely heavy gravel finish. The resulting product, which was ready for mass production in 1917, was the M1917, the direct predecessor of the M1. Follow. I suppose your cousins in the US would call it Tommy helmet the Germans went for salad bowl. dailyinfo[27]=' 5778 Private William CUMMINGS 6th Bn. If its a British helmet, could it be one provided to the Americans before American helmet production caught up? The shape of the helmet was also somewhat similar to the Brodie in that it was based around a circular steel cap which provided maximum protection to the top of the head, with the rim protecting the ears and upper face. With 'COMET ABL 56' printed inside. FOR SALE! The most obvious difference may be observed by turning the helmet over. These helmets were approved for service on 15 May 1916. The color of paint used by both the British and American manufactures do show some similarity. The first to develop an effective helmet were the French who had developed the steel Adrian helmet by the summer of 1915. Royal Navy who died 15/03/1917 CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL United Kingdom ' WWII British Army MKII Brodie Helmet and Liner Restoration Service RESTORATION SERVICE ONLY. It's hard for me to tell without the liner, but could the helmet be American Colin? Its service history within the US armed forces spans a period of over forty years, being the standard issue military headgear for American soldiers between 1941 and 1983 and inspiring imitation models around the world. By 1916, Brodie helmet . and Gen. Hos. By Parrotman287 1 year ago. 3 days Left Gibson ES-330T Sunburst Electric Guitar. Unfortunately the helmet was in a shed for many years so is quite rusted. UK 155428944961. As usually occurs during such periods of protracted stability, investment in innovations in military equipment was limited and there was no real urgency to develop new weapons and protective equipment. Designed to protect from shrapnel shells bursting overhead, it could be pressed from a single sheet of hardened steel, but left the lower parts of the head less protected. Or there are new reproduction liners also on line for sale. var fontend = '' To avoid a smooth reflective finish a small amount of river gravel was mixed into the paint. 3rd Bn. As a result, it was estimated that the M1 had saved the lives of approximately 70,000 men between the outbreak of the war in late 1941 and its conclusion in the autumn of 1945. We live day by day, and I always say: yesterday is history, today's reality, and tomorrow's a dream.' var mydate=new Date() Original WW1 US English AEF 79th ID British BRODIE M1916 Tommy 79 Helmet. Please enquire in advance about our arrangements for telephone bidding. crewnail 2 years ago. It seems to happen frequently. It was replaced by the M1917AI. Only a few very minor details set them apart from each other. and Gen. Hos. In total the steel cap, liner and the accoutrements such as the chinstrap weighed 2.85 pounds or 1.29 kgs. He was in standard active service but was injured in 1941/42 and it was then when he was positioned at Parliament. Hello Gents, it's been a long time, but I am back with an ID request. An update on my helmet: a little light sanding and I was able to find the heat stamp, though this has only raised more questionsthe stamp is XHF. These heavy finishes were field or depot applied. var month=mydate.getMonth()+1 My buddy has a Brodie Helmet which he might be offering for sale. dailyinfo[3]=' 45 Gunner HAZURA SINGH 31st Mountain Battery Indian Mountain Artillery who died 03/03/1920 TEHRAN MEMORIAL Iranm ' I've just been given what looks like a pretty standard "Tommy" helmet. What are the chances that the Big Red One emblem is original? Missing the chinstrap and liner. Heavily distressed #re, Specters in the Snow, the story of Finlands Skeleton Helmet, Sinister in Black, the Pre-War Helmet of the SS, The German helmet of the Normandy Campaign, The Tsars French Helmet, the Imperial Russian Adrian, Visiting the Baltic with Alexander & Sons, Understanding WWII German helmet insignia, Whats inside, German helmet liners 1920-1940, Geronimos helmet, a short history of the U.S. M2, A Short History of the German Steel Helmet of the Great War. M42 winter camo. View detail. DPB The main part of the helmet was the steel shell or cap which was produced from non-magnetic Hadfield Steel, a steel and manganese alloy similar to that which the British had begun to employ to make the Brodie helmet as early as 1916. If its a split rivet that holds the bails in place, its Brit. The helmet was manufactured in just one stamping procedure. A British Brodie 'Tommy' steel helmet with net and leather lining. There is also a very faded 1st division emblem painted on the helmet. And use of the M1 helmet did not end in 1945; far from it. A soup dish style helmet from the Great War, offered for sale islabeledincorrectly. Royal Engineers who died 31/01/1919 COLOGNE SOUTHERN CEMETERY Germany ' Both helmet have a similar dome and similar skirt. Get 5% Off With Coupon Code itscold Offer Ends 3/1/2023, The Brodie to the M1: The Evolution of Americas Most Famous Military Helmet. Royal Horse Artillery who died 21/02/1917 GUARDS CEMETERY, COMBLES France ' It's easy! FOR SALE! Seaforth Highlanders who died 20/03/1919 BEIRUT WAR CEMETERY Lebanese Republic ' Imperial Russian Adrian helmet. Why I speak of our Canadian Great war forumyou know, us Canadians? This is an excellent . British Mark I Brodie Helmet. The helmet has been varnished. In WW1 Allies: Great Britain, France, USA, etc 1914 - 1918, In Polish Armed Forces - Second Republic (Siy Zbrojne II Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej) 1918-1939, blue brodie helmet(or not) identification, Advice on purchasing a British Military MKII Helmet. Both the British and American helmets have marking stamped into the steel on the underside of the helmets skirt. Vimy Ridge?, First to adopt Motor machine guns, feared by the Germans for our Shok troop tacktics..HEE HEE HEE, just picking on you. dailyinfo[14]=' 16511 Private Albert COLEMAN "D" Coy. Hello Leon. dailyinfo[18]=' 6422 Private Charlie GILBERT 4th Coy. The M1 offered exceptional protection. Itsin rough shape and I have yet to find a manufacture/heat stamp. var fontstart = '' However, the M1 sits further back on the head than the Brodie, thus providing greater protection to the neck. Welcome to the forum SR71, there's not much to go on without it's liner. I've not seen that stamp mark before , it's not WW1, and I don't think it is WW2, it could bepost war. Whether it be a small antique shop, militaria show or even an online auction. It continued in use through the relatively peaceful years of the 1920s and when war loomed again in the late 1930s it was still in use. Royal Welsh Fusiliers who died 11/03/1915 FAUQUISSART MILITARY CEMETERY, LAVENTIE France ' Just sold the ARVN ranger helmet. 354.85 Buy It Now. the corners been cut off, can't make out the shape in the photo. if (month<10) month="0"+month The most widely recognised Air Raid Warden's helmet insignia is the two-inch high 'W'.Depending on the air raid warden's rank he would have either a black helmet with white 'W' or a white helmet with black 'W' (plus one or two one-inch bars (separated by a half-inch gap) to denote seniority within the wardens' service).However, there are a thousands of helmets from various localities with a . colour is the paint finish of the helmet, in the photo it looks blue/grey ?. New Zealand Engineers who died 13/03/1918 ST. POL COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION France ' Twenty years of peace followed the end of the First World War before another major international conflict broke out. A 'no helmet' bare head case was used as a control (denoted BAR). Colloquially, it was also called the shrapnel helmet, Tommy helmet, or Tin Hat, and in the United States known as a doughboy helmet. Powered by Invision Community, (In no particular order) Results 1 to 3 of 3 blue brodie helmet(or not) identification. Thanks for the video, i will show my step father and see if he can recognise his dad, I would think this is more likelyto be lettering on a Civil Defence unit helmet than Home Guard. Heres a photo of a little of the remaining paint, it seems dark grey/green to me, and a photo of the inside. Here's one I've have had in my collection for many years is this with the steel rim and second pattern liner, i would say unissued , not sure if it was for the Americans or New Zealand troops, but the main printed label is not easily read .it still maintains the crown label , the white doggy bone looking mark was on there when i got it,maybe a clumsy decorator ? Powered by Invision Community, US WW1 and WW2 Brodie Helmets and Maker Stamps. Nearly three million of these M1917 helmets were produced by the time that the war ended in November 1918, clearly indicating the importance of an effective military helmet for the American armed forces going forward. WW1 BRITISH BRODIE Helmet SOMME relic - 60.00. Such was the models effectiveness that large numbers of it were either purchased by nations from the US, or they developed their own clone or copycat models. This is an excellent true combat example of a genuine Canadian Mark 1 steel helmet that is dated 1941. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. arrived in France in 1917 wearing wool campaign hats, which would have beenunsuitablefor trench combat. The first letters representthe company who pressed the helmet. Clear editor. A heat stamp of 50A with an 'S' beneath it on a Schlueter manufactured helmet. 2nd Bn. The stamping on the underside of the rim reads: G.S.W. i don't know anything about brodie helmet . If it is red paint then I would agree with Colin that fire serviceis likely, perhaps even from an RAF base. The cover was made from the same type of cloth the sand bags the held up the trench wall were made of. Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy! "The French came up with the first 'proper' helmet. dailyinfo[7]=' Lieutenant Thomas Sydney Ough DEALY Australian Flying Corps who died 07/03/1918 STONYHURST COLLEGE BURIAL GROUND United Kingdom ' The original and very distinctive steel helmet adopted by Great Britain was designed and patented in 1915 by its inventor, John L Brodie. Not sure why there's a hole in the rim. Surely there is only one Great War Forum!!! U.S. P17 chinstrap bail Helmets were procured from British supply until such point as the Americans could supply themselves with their own helmets. Category:Brodie helmets. Here's how to install a American M17 helmet liner video part 1 and 2. if (dailyinfo[daym] != "") { document.write(fontstart+dailyinfo[daym]+fontend) } dailyinfo[23]=' 9656 Private Isaac COOPER "A" Coy. It it worth noting that while British servicemen were never issued with American helmets, American service men were issued British helmets. Copyright Treasure Bunker Ltd loop/lug was first used on the British MKI* and MKII helmets. The following is an identification guide for vintage military helmets of Spain. The design of the helmet is familiar to anyone who has seen a First World War movie. M16 LW transitional helmet. Here is a good thread with a posting describing the British manufacturer codes. brodie helmet All Auction Buy it now 386 results Service Type Country/ Organization Era Issued/ Not-Issued Condition Price Buying format All filters WW 2 BRODIE NFS Helmet 1940. The American shell is heavier. For a quarter of a century between the early stages of the First World War through to the first years of the Second World War the Brodie was the standard issue headgear for all British troops. While the M1917 and Brodie helmets appear very similar, a few characteristics like the chinstrap ball, construction material and paint were slightly different. I'm putting in a picture. dailyinfo[17]=' PLY/3566 Private Samuel ROBINSON H.M.S. Regards, Paul. The finalised model which went into mass production using Hadfield Steel from late 1915 onwards weighed 2.4 pounds or 1.1. kgs. This used brass case is approximately 75 mm diameter and is marked with a 1916 manufacturing date. After the war he was, as prior stated, he held a very high position and worked in surveying land and buildings for military purposes, including Goonhilly which was his most famous and he even chose that name. dailyinfo[20]=' 10259 Private Charles BUCHANAN 1st Bn. WW1 Brodie helmet liner and leather chinstrap which contains no harmful materials. Im thinking about making a visit to the Imperial War Museum in London to show one of their specialists as it seems to be hard to find information about it. First questions and then the story. Bluecher German Navy who died 29/01/1915 CANNOCK CHASE GERMAN MILITARY CEMETERY United Kingdom ' OPH dailyinfo[30]=' B/469 Worker Charles BARLOW Australian Munition Worker who died 30/01/1918 NORTH SHEEN CEMETERY United Kingdom ' What pattern of helmet is this, and given the unusual markings, is it a valuable relic, or is it some fantasy piece suitable to be stripped and restored to issue green? The helmet resembles an upside down dishpan or washbasin in that it consists of a bowl-shaped cap and a large uniform brim running around the entire exterior. Article about: Hi everybody i found this helmet while i'm surfing on the net. var daym=mydate.getDate() helmet Bowl-shaped steel helmet showing remains of crude dappled camouflage colours of light brown and mid-green on an apple green field. . dailyinfo[11]=' Captain Charles Edmund WOOD Mentioned in Despatches Adjt. I need help identifying some markings on the second world war brodie. In total approximately seven and a half million Brodies were produced by the British by the time that the First World War came to an end in November 1918. dailyinfo[8]=' 13277 Labourer Klaas NERO South African Native Labour Corps who died 08/03/1917 PUGU ROAD 1914-1918 MEMORIAL Tanzania ' We offer a 100% return policy. I am also unsure whether he began workingin Parliament before or after the war, i will be able to tell you tomorrow though. Columbian Enameling & Stamping Co - Terre Haute - Indiana. Head Gear POOR MANS MILITARIA. dailyinfo[15]=' SS/342 Able Seaman Henry George SMITH (RFR/CH/B/5534). Who can tell me about this helmet British WW1 or WW2 or..?? blunderbuss2 5 years ago. Thus, over a quarter of a century it had seen widespread service from the trenches of northern France in 1915 to the flight from that same region twenty-five years later, an action which ensured that Britain could continue the fight against Nazi Germany.