Why wouldnt someone want to be more like that? That finale appearance was basically a cameo. Heck I think it was more unrealistic when some chick was upset he wasn't ready for sex. DSC had many issues at the beginning. I basically just know the books that gets discussed or reviewed here. all the outfits here are golden IMO but those shoes murder! Tilly, played by Mary Wiseman on Star Trek Discovery is not pregnant. I would just be happy if Rhys got more than three lines an episode lol. Im not the idiot fringe but her weight is none of our business (and, also, she had a baby before S3, I believe). Way too many issues. David Ajala: The first thing that comes to mind, is maybe hes a borderline narcissist, vry egotistical, and self-absorbed. Its not SMGs fault of course, its just the way she has be written throughout the series. Theres a difference between celebrating obesity and accepting individual human beings, treating them as human beings, and not targeting them specifically for emotional harassment. I would expect more from the Star Trek crowd, which is usually quite enlightened. I just wonder if maybe they are adapting the basic idea to what we are seeing in Prodigy since the Protostar couldve been part of the Full Circle program and was sent back to the DQ for a specific mission? Lwaxana sometimes I dont mind her simply because she puts Picard and Odo on their back feet, but she was very OTT on shows that didnt really have a lot of OTT characters, and there was little reason for her to keep appearing on DS9 beyond reverence towards Majel Barrett. Season four of Star Trek: Discovery arrives on Thursday, November 18 on Paramount+. She only graduated from SA herself at the end of season 1. In season one and early season two, I was finding it credible as a case of someone who had unresolved PTSD and was unmoored from the culture that had encouraged her to supress her trauma. And over the last couple of years, so have I. Im still not fond of the gory, violent Klingon business of the first couple of seasons, but I slowly began to see DISCO anew. Theyre losers, pure and simple. By existing? She gets up in the morning and lives with a purpose, helping her crewmates, and ready to make the ultimate sacrifice if necessary. That could explain the weight gain. She would have flushed out of SFA in her first year. Yet, she is. Having a discussion about healthy weights, healthy eating and physical activity and how thats important is a good Star Trek message. So sayeth Scotty, the contrarian. Yeah, self absorbed is an excellent way to describe her character, Id never thought of it that way. And, yeah, I've also heard a rumor about a potential Starfleet Academy series, and I'm assuming it's being set in the future setting of Discovery. The immaturity of body shaming anyone is hateful and unacceptable. She never wouldve made it through the Academy. David, Can we expect any surprising uses of the special things that Book can do in season four, now that he can control the spore drive? Its all pretty subjective. She is one of the best things about Discovery. Something happened to Tilly (Wiseman) and Bryce (Rowe). And if people are critical of her because her appearance does not meet their expectations, they dont really have a clue of what Star Trek is all about. Sonequa Martin-Green in Unification III, Co-showrunner Michelle Paradise shared some behind-the-scenes photos from Terra Firma, Part 2.. Mary Wiseman: Right, when you use empathy for evil, its manipulation. New episodes ofStarTrek: Discoverypremiere on Thursdays onCBS All Accessin the U.S. andonCTV Sci-Fi Channelin Canada, where its also available to stream onCrave. )Granted, I think the special effects, space battles, bizarre technology and explosions are the proverbial tail wagging the dog, but thats always been the case, and is increasingly expected in these post-Star Wars, high tech decades. Tilly's Discovery Season 4 Exit & Season 5 Future Explained She hopped over those 900 years. To be honest I think she is more attractive than the mostly skinny cast of most series. The future doesnt have a preferred accent. Since this is a show for kids and its not directly focused on the Voyager characters (at least not yet ;)), obviously I dont really expect any of the bigger plot lines from those books to happen; but it would be cool if the basic idea stuck around and that the Protostar was part of a long term mission of advance starfleet ships heading back to the DQ for study. But its at least nice they came to their senses with that ridiculous story turn (unlike Kirk). You are correct, it comes down to the same thing, poor plot development. They should have tried to make Tilly more credible first. Sorry TM, its MY fault! But dont those characteristics fit better on a younger character, while the older one grows up and changes? The burden is now on SNWThat show can either make or break it with regards to these issues. Yes! That promise was. Whether you choose to believe it or not, youre actually part of the problem. I wonder what the advertisers behind this site think of posts like this. One reason why I think people gravitated towards Trip the most on Enterprise was that the combination of writing and performances created one of the most believable humans in Star Trek this side of Dr. McCoy and Chief OBrien. Then that very well could be something for not just women but everyone to aspire towards. She is best known for starring as Sylvia Tilly in the Paramount+ science fiction drama series Star Trek: Discovery (2017-present). Marys my TV crush for the last 3 years. Bullied badly as a child and teen so I know what I speak of; Im just glad I grew up pre-Internet, and I sympathize with any nowadays who have to deal with Internet bullying on top of real world bullying. You either think about what you can contribute to society or how society owes you handouts, respect for above-mentioned bad habits, fictitious pronouns even. Correct me if I am wrong, but did she not have to take a command course at some point? :). Im sorry if the idea of someone not like Discovery upsets you, but its unreasonable to expect people to change their minds for that reason. Tillys anxiety got old real fast. Shes a badly conceived written and conceived character theyve desperately tried to bolster. And the only family she has is on that ship. advantage. lol ;). New episodes of Star Trek: Discovery premiere on Thursdays on CBS All Access in the U.S. and on CTV Sci-Fi Channel in Canada, where it's also available to stream on Crave. You know what, fvck you, Vulcan Soul. Rumors started when some problematic fans of Star Trek Discovery found out that she gained a few pounds between the seasons. The ships shrink should not be a Command level position and in fact would make sense to be on the CMOs staff. Where is this? Would a woman watching this aspire to be a Tilly or aspire to be a Dax, Kira or Janeway? But I have to say, when they named her Killy, it made the already off-kilter character even more ridiculous. Personally I dont find that inspiring in any way whatsoever. That however does nothing to mitigate the way Burnham has been written to be unforgivably self-absorbed throughout many of the key moments of the series. But respect is always earned and never enforceable. Tilly is part Wesley Crusher and part Barclay. Janeway is bridge crew, of course she was coming back! Youre perfect as you are. After Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) and Tilly (Mary Wiseman) journey to a planet alongside Burnham's mother Gabrielle (Sonja Sohn), things get a little hairy when the Qowat Milat nun they're . Mary Wiseman, Cadet to Lieutenant Silvia Tilly on Star Trek: Discovery Where I live people compete on the merits and are proud of their professional or intellectual achievements not their bad habits, bad health or even born with attributes such as divergent sexual orientation that they had no influence over whatsoever. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. These are not well-written or well-acted characters, and they weaken the series every time they show up. Tilly is a wonderful incarnation of our inner geekdom, a person you would find at conventions or in fanfiction I love this character so much because she isnt perfect. Heaven forefend women feel good about themselves! But because of Discovery we have Lower Decks, Picard, Prodigy, Strange New Worlds, Short Treks, possibly Section 31 and the Academy show. Other ships having counselors in the TNG era was mentioned. I'm finding Star Trek Discovery to be incredibly dull and childish. Bad writing, illogical story arcs, unbalanced tempo, underdeveloped characters or sudden jumps in character development. That sucks, but that is just the way it goes. But the nu left that this show panders to cant accept any opinion that isnt in agreement with it so they try to immediately invalidate it. She served aboard the USS Discovery while still a cadet in 2256, later commissioned as an ensign . This was to reveal the true intents and emotions of the players in each plot, which highlights the role they play in momentous choices in high-stake situations. I actually had an entire epic story mapped out that I was seriously considering turning into a series of novels. I think Saru will just be the surrogate first officer again although he is now a captain. Just underused. :-), What, you mean you dont follow your patients around at work, giving suggestions? She is full of self doubt, guilt, and anxiety, yet she doesnt quit. But to play the Devils Advocate here for a moment Tilly as she was originally presented and continued to be for quite some time is not something most women would aspire to be I should think. You two are Michaels boyfriend and best friend, so does Michael becoming captain create any new tension in season four? I personally have battled weight issues all my life since high school and when I am eating healthy and trainng hard, I feel great and can do almost anything (power skating, fast hockey, tons of physical activity) meanwhile the opposite is true when I let myself go (and that does happen). Let it die. I hope that Wiseman uses that info into the future because it does work for fat burning and muscle building. Where did all the good writers go?? It seems like people like her say: this is me. Harry wasnt annoying. And thats a healthy outlook. Right! Stupid decision to bring her back. It just really doesnt fit in this show however. Thats just a matter of preference. Try the Daily Mail for 5 minutes. Contents 1 Early life 2 Starfleet career 2.1 USS Discovery 2.1.1 The war 2.1.2 Post-war 2.1.3 32nd century 3 Personal relationships 3.1 Friendships Well second most after Burnam , she was fine in season 1 and 2.past 2 seasons theyve rushed her character developmentsame with michael.the vulcan minded human became human real fast. I echo your sentiments exactly, David. MS Wiseman owns the sadistic Bitch Capt Killy like she does Tilly. They should all try for the standards of randos on the internet like you Mary Wiseman: Well what is like the same root of Book but like the polar opposite expression of it? Thats a refreshing thing for Berman Era Star Trek, when characters tend to be more reserved and the dialogue is highly stylized and precise. Sort of the same way Spock stayed first officer in the movies to Kirk although he was a captain for five of those films. It was EXACTLY what I needed while mourning my own mother. Mary Wiseman as Tilly in episode 402, Anomaly. I think Mary is doing a fantastic job as isSonequa, Their characters are fantastic as are all the others. I see those things and they hurt me because Im a person. That promise was fulfilled in last weeks season finale, and Wiseman is talking about her return. However, we do know that David Mack does. After they wrote her to be the most annoying person possible. Im relieved to say I have no idea how that feels, and its something I cant even stomach thinking about, frankly. Obviously I dont know what M. Wiseman is like. We want people to get their facts from reliable health sources, not celebrities, so saying actors should be sending some sort of fitness message is just backwards. Its good to have ALL type of people/stories in our Star Trek Universe. DS9 Avatar books 1 and 2 were quite good and helpfully kicked off the DS9 Relaunch sequence. She is a real girl. So, hes likely a good fit for the Hageman brothers who say that they want to bring the Wrath of Khan feeling to the Prodigy audience. Thats the whole point why they wanted HER to teach at the newly formed Academy They wanted someone with the original 23rd century optimism and enthusiasm I share that notion a lot And yeah, Im glad Starfleet doesnt work like actual military, And no, S3 was not stupidity. To even suggest that is stupidity writ large. From the next episode on season 3 which was at least okay up to that point started to completely fall apart. It included a lot of the old characters too like Chakotay, BElanna, Tuvok with a lot of new characters. Shes magnetic. I agree, the writing, character development, and story telling needs to improve. Is Tilly (actress) pregnant or unwell?? - The Trek BBS This is rare case were I actually agree with Lorma. Before we move on to SuKal this Thursday, there are still some bits to catch up on from the Terra Firma arc of Star Trek: Discovery. Star Trek: Discovery season 4: everything we know | TechRadar She is relatable and human and wonderful. A Stitch in Time kicks off the Garak/Cardassian books and is excellent. Its intolerance in its most basic form, and anyone who engages in, advocates for, or turns a blind eye and deaf ear to it are examples of the worst humanity has to offer, and most certainly have no business calling themselves a Star Trek fan. That being said, knowing what weight restrictions there are for men and women serving avoid combat ships in todays Navy, my bet would be she would need to lose some weight to preserve her shipboard assignment in todays real-world Navy. Is Tilly Pregnant in Real Life? Star Trek Cast's Weight Gain Story It is their choice to be as they choose to be, and their responsibility to deal with the pros and cons of whatever fitness choices they choose. I didnt like Reed from Enterprise, does that make me a troll? I mean, it was just so fun! It is incredibly bad and is a publicly dangerous message to be sending. Yes, I like both Barclay and Tilly. In CanadaDiscoveryis broadcast on CTV Sci-Fi Channel and streams on Crave. Every woman is very beautiful. No probably not. David, has Michael becoming captain changed Books relationship with her? And no one in their right mind would play poker with her. Definitely not a dig at the actress, she is only delivering what the directors and producers have asked her to deliver. Sick and tired of T and A being the main focus. But Im just happy we are talking about Voyager again, especially since this show is basically a spin off of it! Thank you for your counter opinion. I agree 100%. You had a variety of body shapes on discovery Tilly was thick. Imo, this show tries so overly hard to be socially progressive, its the very thing that makes it a turn-off. Xanadu? But I would like to read some of the TNG books Ive heard about, especially the Destiny series which I know is a big crossover with all the classic shows and the Borg. Its just lazy writing. By: TrekMovie.com Staff At the other end, underweight is also unhealthy and associated with other risks, but gets less negative attention in entertainment. Its not celebrating obesity to say that her body is her business and nobody elses. No one can argue that Shatner is anything less than fit at whatever age. Is her awkwardness all that different from Ezri on DS9? KevinB: I let go of my preconceptions about what star trek is.. But the characters are pitch perfect. Disco has a lot of problems storywise But not her looks! Its sci-fi, brah. What I should point out though is that Mack earned the moniker Angel of Death among the Litverse fans. It took this for me to finally accept who I am. Sharing? In the season four finale Coming Home, Mary Wiseman returned as Lt. Tilly, now a Starfleet Academy leader working with cadets and Admiral Vance to coordinate the evacuation and defense of Earth on Federation HQ. However, in the same interview she also talked about how some fans have not been so supportive in season three: I noticed theres definitely been an uptick in body-shaming towards me and Tilly this season, which was harrowing because Im a person, I have a history and bullying is totally a part of that. None of those thinks make a lick of sense. At New York Comic Con, TrekMovie participated in some group interviews with members of the cast and crew,. In this week's episode of Star Trek: Discovery season four, we saw Tilly leaving her crew and heading to the academy in order to foster young minds. Editor's note, 23 Dec 2020: If you like Wiseman's interview here, then you should also check out interviewer Dawn Ennis's other work. You made very good points and I do agree. The reason why Troi was on the bridge all the timewas that she was a betazoid. Unfortunately PICARD turned out to be set in the same period, so it derailed my plans, although later I did figure out a way to explain the considerable differences in the Prime Universe. Regarding fans, tons of them love Tilly. Shes a geeky, nerdy character, so wonderfully over the top, like so many of us in the fandom. Story: With . Right!? 42 comments so far. Mary Wiseman and David Ajala with their co-stars Wilson Cruz, Sonequa Martin-Green, Blu del Barrio, and Anthony Rapp at NYCC 2021, (Trailer also available for international viewers onInstagramandstartrek.com). During the 1st season, Michael helped Tilly to gain confidence and then continued to nurture that confidence through . There is a wealth of other outlets for health and fitness information, that frankly are more dispassionate and factual than getting health and fitness info from celebrities. You mentioned that the rest of world laughs at America because of obesity. I let go of my preconceptions about what star trek is. Mention one thing or person loved by EVERYBODY. Not holding my breath hes given the job though, especially since we know Saru is coming back. | March 22, 2022 | From what Ive read, having her on the bridge because of her betazed abilities was what Roddenberry had in mind. DSC has a wonderful cast and a neat diverse set of characters. They told us and a handful of other outlets what to expect for their characters and more. In every real-life Trekkie community Im a part of, as well as most online, shes loved. Why is that a command level position? Given all the trouble the crew got into, Im sure they needed one on the ship. Let's get into the details of the actress's weight gain, which has also been linked to her pregnancy. Weve seen a lot of big men in Star Trek but no big girls. Its very likely shell be on the Star Fleet Academy show if she continues as a regular/recurring character on a Trek show. Biography Martin-Green says she has come to accept changes in her body, especially after the birth of her second child shortly before production on season three: With my first pregnancy I bounced back without trying (which is a crime, by the way, that we expect women to do that after birth rather than focus on healing). There are still things that bother me about the new trek too. Keep up the great work ladies! The character. Im not counting on it. Well, Renos really more engineering. https://t.co/zV56ClHoUZ, Kate Mulgrew (@TheKateMulgrew) December 18, 2020. Obesity and overweight are associated with health chronic issues by definition. I keep reading that no character like hers should not be in starfleet, yet she is. Thats a crumpet I want to butter. [laughter], David Ajala as Book and Sonequa Martin-Green as Michael in episode 401 Kobayashi Maru. the only one worth saving.. quite possibly the most irritating character in Trek history. First of all, because theres more options for cosplay now, because she changed her hair. No one of my Trekkie friends, growing up with TNG watch this anymore. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. So, although he does the occasional guest star role in other shows produced in Canada, he could take on a larger role on Discovery. Maybe having had to step up to the plate before she was ready I think she intellectually knows that she didnt fail, and that its not her fault that Osyraa took the ship, she didnt have all the information, but I still think the fact that that she took command and somehow lost the ship would be an enormous blow to her confidence and make her question a lot of stuff. New episodes of Star Trek: Discovery premiere on Thursdays on CBS All Access in the U.S. and on CTV Sci-Fi Channel in Canada, where it's also available to stream on Crave.

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